ინტერვიუ ფილოლოგიის მეცნიერებათა დოქტორ მაია ჯალიაშვილთან

მაია ჯალიაშვილი

miniaturis unazesi ostati

_ qalbatono maia, CvenTvis cnobilia, rom Tqveni  sakandidato disertacia sandro cirekiZis Semoqmedebas eZRvneba. gviTxariT oriode sityva amis Sesaxeb.

_ diax, marTali brZandebiT. 1991 wlis 2 ivliss SoTa rusTavelis saxelobis literaturis institutSi davicavi sakandidato disertacia Temaze `sandro cirekiZe da qarTuli simbolizmi~. xelmZRvaneli gaxdaT profesori giorgi merkvilaZe, romelmac mibiZga, Semeswavla da gamomekvlia sandro cirekiZis Semoqmedeba. Semdeg es naSromi wignadac gamoveci, saxelwodebiT `Taobidan Taobamde~ (T. 1994, gamomc. `lomisi~).

            sandro cirekiZe cisferyanwelTa poeturi ordenis erTi erTguli raindi iyo da `cisferi Zmobis~ xva wevrebTan erTad iRvwoda poeturi sityvis aRorZinebisa da ganaxlebisTvis, saqarTvelos  sulieri kulturis gamdidreba_gamravalferovnebisTvis. sandro cirekiZis Semoqmedebis gareSe warmoudgenelia qarTuli simbolisturi skolis srulyofili gaazreba, igi xom simbolisturi prozis yvelaze Tamami eqsperimentatori gaxldaT..

miuxedavad xanmokle sicocxlisa, man SeZlo mravalmxriv gamoevlina Tavisi niWi. igi werda SesaniSnav miniaturebs. samwuxarod mxolod erTi momcro krebulis gamocema moaswro, saxelwodebiT `mTvareulebi~. werda eseebsac da amdidrebda qarTvel simbolistTa Teoriul warmodgenebs literaturasa da xelovnebaze. xSir SemTxvevaSi, igi gvevlineboda, axali poeziis erTgvar komentatoradac ki, radgan filosofiur_esTetikurad xsnida im ZiriTad principebs, romelTa safuZvelzec xorcieldeboda samyaros sruliad axleburi poeturi gaazreba.. sandro cirekiZem Tavisi TargmanebiTac gaamdidra qarTuli literatura. igi iyo redaqtor-gamomcemelic. quTaisSi daarsa sagangebod cisferyanwelTa gamomcemloba `kirCxibi~ da gamosca kidec kolau nadiraZisa da valerian gafrindaSvilis poeturi krebulebi. igi iyo J. `Svildosnis~ redaqtori da J. `meocnebe niamorebis~ Tanaredaqtori. Cems gamokvlevaSi Sevecade sandro cirekiZe warmomeCina rogorc pirovneba da rogorc Semoqmedi.

_ miniaturis Janrs CvenSi garkveuli tradicia hqonda, ra SesZina mas axali sandro cirekiZem?

_sandro cirekiZem daxvewa da gaamdidra es Janri Tavisi miniaturebiT. `laia~, `mozaikis RvTismSobeli~, `mTvareuli~, `pirimze~, `munji mociquli~, `raindTa landebi~ da sxva_ es iyo axali sityva am JanrSi. mweralma ufro metad gaamaxvila yuradReba irealobaze da sinamdvile warmoaCina mxolod rogorc niSani, simbolo, farda, romlis iqiT imaleboda gamouTqmeli. misi miniaturebi poeturia, ufro TeTr leqsebs hgavs. miRmiuris, mistikuris SegrZneba  da gamoxatva iyo misTvis mTavari. mas sjeroda samyaros fenomenalobisa da poeturi xatebiT, metaforebiT, simboloebiT cdilobda saganTa da movlenaTa arsSi wvdomas, idumalis, dafarulis axsnasa da gadmocemas. mis poetur samyaroSi waSlilia sazRvari warmosaxulsa da realobas Soris. gmirebi Tanabrad ganicdian rogorc namdvil, aseve sizmareul, ocnebiseul samyaros. sandro cirekiZis Sesaxeb SeiZleba gavimeoroT sityvebi, romlebic valerian gafrindaSvilma malarmeze Tqva: `igi iyo brwyinvale improvizatori Tavisi ocnebis da cxovreba, rogorc uvargisi sufliori samudamod uaryofil iqna poetis mier~. sandro cirekiZis miniaturebSi bevri ram xSirad agebulia sizmriseul principebze. aq aris garkveuli bundovaneba, naxevartonebi da gamocanebi, mkiTxveli unda mihyves miniaturiseul ganwyobilebebs da  emociurad ganicados saTqmeli. mwerlisTvis umTavresi iyo mSvenierebisTvis eziarebina mkiTxveli. mSveniereba ki mas eguleboda warmaval saganTa da movlenaTa miRma, amitom cdilobTa  uCinaris moxelTebas da maradiulTan ziarebas.

sandro cirekiZem udidesi yuradReba gaamaxvila sityvaTa musikalobasa da ferwerulobaze, man gaamravalferovna miniatura ritmis TvalsazrisiT.  man Seqmna originaluri `soneti proziT~. sazoagdod, is Janrebze maRla poezias ayenebda, romelic SeiZleba gamovleniliyo nebismier formaSi. valerian gafrindasvili werda: `sandro cirekiZe poetia CemTvis. is wers poemebs miniaturis saxiT~. marTlac, mis miniaturebSi  sxvadasxva gziT Seqmnili  umSvenieresi ritmebia. misi prozis daxvewil, moxdenil da momxiblav striqonebs mkTxveisTvi moaqvT idumalebis gancda. razec unda werdes igi, warsulsa Tu awmyoze, adamianebsa Tu bunebaze, saTqmels yovelTvis Sesabamisi ritmiTa da feriT gadmoscems. mis miniaturebSi ZiriTadad danisluli, Rrubliani dRis ferebia, riTac gamZafrebulia sevdis, sicarielis, usaSvelobis ganwyobilebebi.

_ cnobilia, rogori gatacebuli iyvnen cisferyanwelebi fragi poetebiT, sando cirekiZe visTan ufro metad amJRavnebda sulier naTesaobas?

_ marTlac, frangi poetebi ”Sarl bodleri, artur rembo, stefan malarme, lotreamoni, Jiul laforgi, pol verleni... cisferyanwelTa kerpebi iyvnen. xSirad baZavdnen kidec, magram mTavari iyo, rom isini Targmnidnen axal poezias da cdilobdnen qarTuli kulturis `evropis radiusiT gmarTvas~. es iyo keTilSobiluri mizani, qarTuli kultura daebrunebinaT evropul arealSi. cisfeyanwelebi, marTalia, eTayvanebodnen frangebs, magram maT  samSobloSic hyavdaT misabaZni, upirveelsad, rusTavelis, guramiSvilis, besikis, vaJa fSavelas saxiT. rac Seexeba sulier naTesaobas, vfiqrob, sandro cirekiZe cxovrebiTa da SemoqmedebiT raRacnairad Camohgavda Jiul laforgs, romlis poeziasac kargad icnobda da afasebda. amave dros, isini waagavdenen rogorc garkveuli Temebis, aseve  am TemaTa mxatvruli damuSavebis principebiTac. Tumca amgvar naTesaobaze saubari pirobiTia, magram xels uwyobs  im ZiriTadi tendenciebis gamokveTas, riTac gamoirCeoda orive Semoqmedi. Cems wignSi amis Taobze erTi Tavi maqvs, sadac vcdilob davZebno paralelebi maT SemoqmedebaSi.

_ ras ityviT mis eseebze?

_ sandro cirekiZis eseebSi sainteresod da safuZvlianad aris ganxiluli poeziisa da poeziasTan dakavSirebuli maradiuli sakiTxebi. ras warmoadgens poezia, ra mimarTebaSia igi samyarosTan, ra kavSiri aqvs xelovnebasTan, mecnierebasTan, religiasTan. am TvalsazrisiT, sainteresoa misi eseebi `poeziis napirebi~, `orsaxiani ianusi~, `paralelebi~, `ritmi prozaSi~ da sxva. saganTa  idumali mxareebis warmoCenas miiCnevs  igi poeziis sagnad. misi azriT, poezia aRiZvreba maSin, roca adamiani, Segnebulad Tu intuiciurad, eWvs Seitans realur samyaroSi, ar daakmayofilebs xilvad saganTa cqera da maT miRma gadaixedeba. amgvari wamebi poeziiT arsi aRsavse, radgan adamians  am dros eufleba araCveulebrivi, ara yofiTi, araamqveyniuri gancda, radgan movlenebs miRma Wvreta, saganTa WeSmarit arsSi wvdoma suls sxvagvarad aforiaqebs. sandro cirekiZisTvis poetebi iyvnen sxvanairi adamianebi, iseTebi, romelTac qveyanas `ucnaurad Sexedes~, radgan, rogorc TviTon werda: `movlenebs iqiT sagnebi izmorebian ucxoni~. sandro cirekiZe poeziasa da religias erT sibrtyeze moazrebda, magram maT arsebiTad ganasxvavebda.  misi azriT, `religia eZebs namdvil oreuls qveynisas da unda eziaros  ukvdavebas. poetma Tavidanve eWvis TvaliT Sexeda am Ziebas. iman daijera, rom RmerTs WeSmarits ver ipovis da eZebs mxolod mis butaforias~. sandro cirekiZisTvis poeti iyo mogvi da mistifikatori. am eseebSi mravali sagulisxmo dakvirvebaa, maT Soris, saTaurebze, poetisa da mkiTxvelis urTirTdamokidebulebaze da sxva.

sandro cirekiZem eseebSi asaxa is ZiriTadi esTetikuri sakiTxebi, romlebic aRelvebdaT cisferyanwelebs, rogorc axali, simbolisturi mimdinareobis warmomadgenlebs.